Just something to think about. There is now a significant gap between 600R and 600 open. Open has followed the path I warned about 3 years ago in the club meetings.Theres no argument that racing at the front of the field has been spectacular, but weve lost cars to the spending game.
Due to a rule announced this year, some drivers are ineligible to compete in the 600R class, as experience is deemed an unfair advantage over other drivers.While disappointed that we have teams who would prefer to shelter their drivers from more experienced competition (even at a 50lb handicap in my case), Ive accepted that the R class is now a junior class like we had in the 250 days.It serves a purpose, but excludes a population in doing so.
I believe the solution is a formula that is recognized across the country.A-Class Non Wing.Engine rules at Visalia, Lemore, and Tulsa (thus the mid-west) are reasonably consistent for stock class engines.Essentially our restricted class, minus the choker and wings. It provides a low-investment option for restricted teams to move up to.It also creates a low-investment option for drivers not interested in chasing the open 600s, and those of us deemed too competitive for the restricted class.The HPD Midgets demonstrated that winged and wingless cars can run on the same surface, same night, and bring great variety for the spectators.
We all know cars sitting in garages that could easily be prepped for this class.While it might take a year to build momentum, I firmly believe the net impact would be growth for the organization, a great class of racing for the crowd, and national popularity to make a viable Clay Cup class in the long run.
My $.02 - free of charge - BLT
r_wood24 said
Nov 27 12:55 PM, 2014
That sounds good to me as well ...We are at a point in our racing program that the cost of being up in the top 5 ...even in the top ten by the races end is nearly impossible running a stock carb. motor , My driver moves forward by staying out of trouble and attrition . We have already talked about a part time racing program this next season....with a new group moving up in 2015 a "B" main car is just not an option or sink a butt load of money in a motor ...We love this Racing family and The race track ,we are race fans as well and love to put on a great show for the crowd of fans that show up every week . A stock class winged or non-wing would be beneficial on many teams thanks for Reading my thoughts on this
GBrown said
Dec 1 7:35 PM, 2014
Bravo Bravo!
A class stock wingless class would be awesome!
I'm sure if there was a class sponsor it would come about quicker.
Just me two cents........
chad reid said
Dec 4 11:30 AM, 2014
Every bit of racing that I have ever been involved with has had a handful of people who have the means and are willing to out spend the competition. Don't fool yourself. This class will be no different. There will be cars with the latest and greatest shock packages with titanium rotating parts and carbon fiber whatever and new tires for every race.
Don't get me wrong here. I love the idea of a new wingless class at Deming but not because it will be more affordable but because it would be awesome!
GBrown said
Dec 4 3:52 PM, 2014
If you make it a sealed stock engine that would cut down the cost considerably!
river-ryan said
Dec 5 7:31 AM, 2014
I agree that there will always be teams that will out spend everyone regaurdless of the class; however, expensive parts (Shocks, titanium parts etc) become less critical to the outcome with wingless than they are with winged mini/micro sprint cars. At the very least , it would be $500 cheaper every time you flip. Like said above, there most likely needs to be a sponsor. I think if there is enough interest, start with a 8-10 race series that alternates with the schedule of Sunset Speedway in Oregon with the hopes that some of those cars would be enticed to hopefully create a decent car count.
29Sleepy said
Dec 9 12:57 PM, 2014
For next meeting I'll be bringing line-by-line comparison of Deming 600R, Tulsa Non-Wing Stock, Visalia/Lemore stock. There is enough commonality that anyone who is Tulsa or SoCal legal would also be Deming legal if we used 600R rules minus the plate and rev limit (since carbs on injected engine may over-rev w/o restrictor plate).
Variations:
Tire: Deming RD15, Tulsa ASCS2, SoCal 48D (rec Hoosier D28)
in-car adjusters: Deming NO, Tulsa No, SoCal Open
Model Year: Deming Current year, Tulsa 1 year old, SoCal 2 year old motor
Throttle Bodies: Both Tulsa and SoCal stipulate OEM style CV carbs or injection (no flat slides or Engler)
Rev Limit: Deming is stock, while Tulsa and SoCal don't specify.
29Sleepy said
Jan 13 8:05 AM, 2015
Cancel that.. Sounds like the idea is off for now.
Just something to think about. There is now a significant gap between 600R and 600 open. Open has followed the path I warned about 3 years ago in the club meetings. Theres no argument that racing at the front of the field has been spectacular, but weve lost cars to the spending game.
Due to a rule announced this year, some drivers are ineligible to compete in the 600R class, as experience is deemed an unfair advantage over other drivers. While disappointed that we have teams who would prefer to shelter their drivers from more experienced competition (even at a 50lb handicap in my case), Ive accepted that the R class is now a junior class like we had in the 250 days. It serves a purpose, but excludes a population in doing so.
I believe the solution is a formula that is recognized across the country. A-Class Non Wing. Engine rules at Visalia, Lemore, and Tulsa (thus the mid-west) are reasonably consistent for stock class engines. Essentially our restricted class, minus the choker and wings. It provides a low-investment option for restricted teams to move up to. It also creates a low-investment option for drivers not interested in chasing the open 600s, and those of us deemed too competitive for the restricted class. The HPD Midgets demonstrated that winged and wingless cars can run on the same surface, same night, and bring great variety for the spectators.
We all know cars sitting in garages that could easily be prepped for this class. While it might take a year to build momentum, I firmly believe the net impact would be growth for the organization, a great class of racing for the crowd, and national popularity to make a viable Clay Cup class in the long run.
My $.02 - free of charge - BLT
A class stock wingless class would be awesome!
I'm sure if there was a class sponsor it would come about quicker.
Just me two cents........
I agree that there will always be teams that will out spend everyone regaurdless of the class; however, expensive parts (Shocks, titanium parts etc) become less critical to the outcome with wingless than they are with winged mini/micro sprint cars. At the very least , it would be $500 cheaper every time you flip. Like said above, there most likely needs to be a sponsor. I think if there is enough interest, start with a 8-10 race series that alternates with the schedule of Sunset Speedway in Oregon with the hopes that some of those cars would be enticed to hopefully create a decent car count.
Variations:
Tire: Deming RD15, Tulsa ASCS2, SoCal 48D (rec Hoosier D28)
in-car adjusters: Deming NO, Tulsa No, SoCal Open
Model Year: Deming Current year, Tulsa 1 year old, SoCal 2 year old motor
Throttle Bodies: Both Tulsa and SoCal stipulate OEM style CV carbs or injection (no flat slides or Engler)
Rev Limit: Deming is stock, while Tulsa and SoCal don't specify.